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[edit] order

I have edited the discussion page in order to restore the initial order. In order to preserve this order, please use three equal signs (===) to create sub-sections rather than sections. And please add your post at the bottom of a section.
Possible topics are Standards support issues, Features you want mentioned or Browsers you want added/removed. Grey (talk) 03:43, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Features

[edit] IE voice control

Hi! I think internet explorer should have "partial" instead of "no", since, if running windows vista, you surely can control the browser with your voice!213.64.150.116 17:05, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Addition of encoding support table?

One thing that is a good idea to have is a table on encoding support (Unicode and legacy encodings), which would probably go on a separate page due to size issues. This is useful because support on encodings is very different between browsers (for example, IE is the only browser with ISCII support) still need to test this -- Prince Kassad 18:06, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

If you can find any reliable sources, why not... --Grey 15:44, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
I strongly support this request. Maybe even extending it to a table with 'http' support indicating supported Content-Types (gzip, deflate, etc) and charset (UTF-8, Latin-1, etc). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.198.72.247 (talk) 11:48, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] AdBlock

It kinda bugs me that Firefox has "no" under "ad filtering" when everyone uses AdBlock. Should this and some other entries be changed to something like "via plugin"? 75.152.220.162 (talk) 09:42, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

It says so with a note [1] but it would be a good idea to prominently show them different. Platonides (talk) 21:05, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Why does all the browsers that filters ads with a plugin have no with a cross, except firefox says yes with a cross, shouldn't it be a no as well? 72.218.100.143 (talk) 08:19, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Epiphany (GNOME Web Browser) should definitely say "yes" for ad filtering under "accessibility features"! It's not the same as with Firefox, because here you certainly HAVE the filtering option "out of the box", installed with the browser itself, no need for downloading any add-ons. OK, you can remove epiphany-extensions package, but there is no GNOME-release coming without that, so it's practically included... Arpadapo (talk) 09:02, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

[edit] System Requirements

Hi All. Thanks for the amazing page. I know it would be hard, but easier than some of the other tables - a table of system requirements, hard disk, OP, RAM size especially would easily allow a reader to determine if he could download and run it. In some cases it's hard to find this data, for example I've just been looking at the Opera site and I can't find any of this information. Considering how much RAM Firefox has been known to use in the past (horribly large amounts) and that not everyone has a new computer, this information would be extremely helpful. Just my two cents worth. Thank you. Blucat David. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.142.19.27 (talk) 20:05, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Browsing History

I notice that there is no information about the topic of browsing history. On this page there is an oblique reference to "full text browsing history search", but do all these browsers really keep a basic type of browsing history (i.e. links visited)? This is a current topic, as some browsers have recently implemented modes that do not keep browsing history (e.g. Chrome's Incognito Window and IE's InPrivate Browsing). Is "browsing history" a feature of most browsers, is it notable enough to mention in the Web browser page, and if so, should a comparison of each of the browser history functions be included in a table here? Twocs (talk) 01:49, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Why no mention of WebSurfer browser?

I'm guessing it was mainly Twenty-Something's who wrote this article?
I remember in the early-to-mid 90's seeing ad banners that said, "WebSurfer 5.0 The BEST browser". I laughed every time I saw it and said, "yeah right". I never clicked on it, never downloaded it. I already had Netscape Navigator 3.0, which was The King back then.
But this WebSurfer browser should be mentioned here. It was indeed one of the also-rans who fought to get noticed in the shadow of Netscape Navigator.

Anyone else remember this? You can still see the ads in The Internet Wayback Machine web site. I was in my early twenties back then and was a Netscape Navigator Fanboy, but today's Firefox Fanboys put me to shame, with their insanely blind romantic love for a piece of software. I'm waiting for California to legalize Fanboy-Firefox marriages, that's how out of control it has gotten. Anyway...WebSurfer 5.0...the best damn browser on the planet. Dropmeoff (talk) 03:15, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Other missing browsers

There are a number of other browsers missing, it's as if RISC OS never existed. I don't have all the dates so I can't add this stuff myself... however you ought to be able to find information on: ArcWeb (Stuart Brodie, 1996), Webite (Doggysoft, 1995), Webster (Andrew Pullan - written in BASIC!, 1996), Fresco (ANT, 1994), Browse (Acorn, 1996?), Fresco/Voyager (modified version for ArgoNet), Oregano (Oregan Networks, 2000), Oregano 2, NetSurf (yes, it started on RISC OS), Bon Echo (port, Peter Naulls I think), plus the expected port of Lynx.
Some of this stuff is available at ftp://ftp.demon.co.uk/pub/archimedes/www/
Fresco has its own Wiki page as it was deployed in a number of ARM-based (RISC OS internal) STBs.
I believe that Browse was one of the first browsers to fully support PNGs. It is written up well at http://www.vias.org/pngguide/chapter02_02_05.html and as an update, full sources to Browse are available as a part of RISC OS Open.
HeyRick1973 (talk) 19:52, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Call for academic reviews of the web browsers....

--124.78.210.114 (talk) 13:20, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

The references cited do not seem to be from academic journals very much--124.78.210.114 (talk) 13:32, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Table notes converted into group references

I notice that the {{refun}} had recently been converted into {{ref}} which caused the numbers of references and table notes to overlap. Since I figured that might be a tad confusing and {{refun}} is up for deletion I converted the tables to use the group list feature of references. This means that table notes should automatically be linked up properly. Hopefully this will make it easier to keep the table foot notes in sync. I left most of the bodies of the notes defined below the tables except for a few cases where nested references forced me to move them to avoid citation warnings. The rest could be moved up if desired, I just wanted my change to be easily diff-able. If you have any questions about how this works, see Help:Footnotes or Wikipedia:Footnotes or ask. Note the occasional use of {{#tag:ref|...|group=note|name=...}} syntax to handle the special cases of normal references nested inside grouped references. PaleAqua (talk) 10:29, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks— I should have done it that way in the first place. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 13:50, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
No problem. Was a fun little exercise. PaleAqua (talk) 01:08, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Fun. It has taken hours to work that little template. It has been used in so many odd and wonderful ways. Tables full of fracking dagger symbols that link to different notes. One last article to do... ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 04:39, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Acid3: Not passed / 100/100

Opera (for desktops) has been listed on Acid3 as not passed with an otherwise perfect score. It has rendered the test correctly for the last few versions (at least with me). The rendition is normally smooth and fast here. Is there something important that fails Opera, or is it just an old forgotten update? 158.37.73.13 (talk) 00:31, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

As far as I know, it still doesn't pass the performance aspect. Does the report say that no subtests take more than 33 ms? Are you running the test on a laptop? If both answers are YES, then perhaps it passes. On the other hand, we can't add that information to the article because it's original research. -- Schapel (talk) 00:55, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
I am running it on a laptop (HP dv9575eo/Win7), and test 26 and 69 usually come out less than perfect. But it generally does the test better than Chrome here, which is said to pass it perfectly. Here's a screen-shot of the shortest of around thirty tests ran February 17 (only six ran for IE): ImageShack. I know it's not statistically significant, but Chrome has not consequently ran the test better on this machine. 158.37.73.13 (talk) 01:43, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
From the screenshots shown, Chrome does better on the performance aspect. It ran test 26 in 43 ms, compared to over 100 ms for Opera. It is not the total time (speed of animation) that is the issue, but time for each subtest (smoothness of animation). -- Schapel (talk) 01:55, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
Though, the total time used calls for a better test than the fact that one single test is a bit slower or faster, does it not? Chrome might be fast on that specific test (but not faster than 33 ms as stated as perfect earlier), but the total time says that other tests added up to 1150 ms slower than Opera (in the quickest of all the tests). The 62 ms difference in a single stress test is small compared to the total. Why does Chrome pass when it never scored less than 33 ms on test 26 in any of my tests? Is a single lucky pass on any one system all that is needed for a browser to pass it? I would think it had to be consistent. Would be nice to get some different views or clarification on this - I'm no expert in the area.
For reference: the above tests were done on a fresh OS with unmodified browsers. 158.37.73.13 (talk) 02:41, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
But it's not up to you or me. The creator of Acid3 said it is the smoothness that matters -- each test must complete within 33 ms or less on the reference hardware. Did you run the test on the reference hardware -- a top-of-the-line Mac laptop? -- Schapel (talk) 03:35, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
A "top-of-the-line Mac laptop" is not a specific system. Acid3 was created in 2007, and 3 years is a huge amount of time in technology. I've stated my system earlier in this thread, which was a fairly top-of-the-line laptop back then.[1], and Chrome does not pass for performance. Opera even has different versions running for Windows and Mac. The test should not only be valid for Macs when used in the context of this article. Should that not be stated to begin with, otherwise?
I don't mean to directly question the validity of the Acid3 test - I believe it's a good test, but while Opera performed better in my testing, Chrome passes because of what can be seen as unreasonable test requirements. I am sorry for singling out Chrome versus Opera, but those are the browsers I can personally reference. 158.37.73.13 (talk) 04:17, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
If your was a top-of-the-line laptop a few years ago, it would stand to reason that a top-of-the-line laptop of today would be more than 30% faster and not more than three times faster. That would mean that Chrome would pass the performance aspect and Opera would not. Your tests seem to verify what our sources say. -- Schapel (talk) 13:41, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
@158.37.37.13 - Please feel free to question the validity of the test all you like, it was created by an individual, and not an organisation or collection of peers, so it is by its very definition biased. The performance aspect is widely regarded as being preposterous and the creator of the test himself has actually stated that for Acid4, one of the requirements be: "no performance stuff as part of the test". However, it is not within Wikipedia's purview to comment on the validity or perceived bias of what it documents (doing so would likely violate NPOV guidelines).
Also, the reference hardware is not a 3 year old top-of-the-line Macbook, it's defined as "whatever the top-of-the-line Apple laptop is at the time the test is run" - this means even figuring out what the reference hardware is is a completely unscientific moving target, to make matters even more unreasonable.
@Schapel I'm not sure how your interpolation of Opera's vs Chrome's results on a modern PC Laptop works, but given Opera performs the test more quickly than Chrome in the tests in the linked screenshot, surely it would also do so on a new laptop. Either way though, this is moot unless the tests are run on a bootcamp Windows install - otherwise, as far as the test is concerned, a stable build of Opera 10.50 does not exist. ɹəəpıɔnı 02:03, 21 March 2010 (UTC)


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